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From: Gerry Armstrong <gerry@gerryarmstrong.org>
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Subject: Re: Caroline Letkeman letter to U.S.
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Federal Departments and Congress
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 10:09:14 +0200
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On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 21:19:45 GMT, efish22@hotmail.com wrote:
>In article <3efef422$0$24007$626a54ce@news.free.fr>,
> "roger gonnet" <gonnet@antisectes.net> wrote:
>
>> "tikk" <trash@tikk.net> a écrit dans le
message
de
>> > >>On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 21:58:02 +0200, Gerry Armstrong
>> > >
>> > > <gerry@gerryarmstrong.org>
>> > >
>> >
>> > Comparing Scientology's management to the Third Reich is
hyperbolic
>> > enough, but comparing SPs to the Jews killed in the Holocaust is
>> > downright offensive.
>>
>> perhaps it could, if not to be put in parralel with the outrightly
offensive
>> ways of the crime cult in his insane ads in various newspapers years
ago.
>
>
>which was offensive then, and is just as offensive now.
>
>speaking as a jew, i'm damned tired of cults such as scientology
>appropriating my parents' tragedy.
>
>and i am deeply offended by mr. armstrong and ms. letkeman doing exactly
>the same.
That's just not true. We did not appropriate your parents' tragedy or
anyone else's tragedy. And whatever we did is not exactly the same
thing as whatever some cults did. So the reason you believe you have
for being deeply offended can't be right.
Should Caroline and I be deeply offended because you were never a
Scientologist and you are appropriating *our* experience, *our*
tragedy? Think about it.
I would think you'd be deeply offended if the Jews didn't let their
tragedy be used so that people could learn from it. So that when
another totalitarian cult begins with the beastification of good
people, and articulates an idea of quiet, sorrowless disposal, people
who have learned from that history can say never again.
Do you realize that a key reason that Scientology is officially
opposed in Germany is because of the Nazi-Jewish tragedy, the unique
experience and history that brings the country to recognize and oppose
totalitarian groups and movements? Would you deny the whole German
nation the use of this tragedy as a basis for understanding and
opposing Scientology?
What in this paragraph is erroneous?
[Quote]
Scientology’s "enemies," the "SPs," are in the
same
position, relative
to the Miscavige cult, as the Nazis’ "enemies," the Jews, were
in,
relative to the Hitler cult. Scientology beastifies SPs just as the
Nazis beastified the Jews. Scientology uses its pseudo-science to
"prove" Scientologists’ superiority and SPs’
inferiority,
just as the
Nazis "proved" their own superiority and Jewish inferiority with
their
Aryan pseudo-science. Scientology teaches that SPs should be denied
citizenship and deprived of human rights, just as the Nazis taught
that Jews were not citizens and had no rights. Scientology has, and
obviously the Nazis had, a policy of depriving their "enemies" of
property, of injuring them, tricking them, lying to them and
destroying them, without any discipline of the Scientologist or Nazi
perpetrator. Both Scientology and the Nazis concluded that the final
solution to the "enemies" problem -- SPs and Jews-- was their
disposal, quietly and without sorrow.
[End Quote]
Do you realize that Hitler's vilification of the Jews in Mein Kampf is
not as vicious as Hubbard's vilification of SPs in the Scientology
cult's "scriptures?"
It is interesting that we have had responses from other Jewish people
who have commended our effort, who saw the similarity between the
Nazis' vilification of the Jews and the Scientologists' vilification
of the SPs, and who had thoughtful things to say about the issues we
raise.
It is interesting too that you don't touch on the substance of the
letter, but just denounce it as "lunatic." In that you've apparently
read the letter, why not put some real thought into a reasoned
response?
In that you found it "lunatic," is it your position that the Jews
were
not justified in fighting back, in not opposng their obliteration? Did
you think that at some historical point or condition it would be
appropriate?
One would think that a thinking opponent to Scientology
totalitarianism, black PR, fair game and criminality would welcome an
effort to do something about it, and would offer her own history,
experience, and even tragedy, to the cause.
Perhaps you could post some of your own letters to government
officials on the Scientology issue so we can learn from your
scholarship, reason, writing and the successes you've had.
But you're not an SP. You're not fair game. So how can you presume to
know what it's like to be fair game, and to lecture SPs who do know
what it's like to be SPs? You're not threatened. So how can you
presume to know what it's like to be threatened, and to lecture and
denounce people who are threatened?
Would you have called the Jews' protestations of the Nazi obliteration
plan before the Nazis executed the plan "self-righteous idiocy?"
Would you have told them to "fuck right off?" Many people did. And
that terrible tragedy then happened.
Did you read this paragraph?
[Quote]
It is generally accepted that a key reason that the Jews did not take
up arms and fight back to prevent their being enslaved and obliterated
was because they could not believe that such atrocities could happen
to them. After all, they were German citizens, and contributing
members of society -- good people. And the Nazis denied and hid from
them their real and murderous intentions and ran a successful
disinformation campaign. But we SPs have the Jews’ tragic history to
learn from, and we have access to Scientology’s own documents that
order our obliteration. And some of us believe that such atrocities
can happen. In fact, Scientologists’ denials of their murderous
intentions toward us merely reinforce our belief, as the Nazis’
denials of their murderous intentions should have helped the Jews to
believe.
[End Quote]
What in this paragraph do you find "lunatic?" What is factually
in
error?
Again, you're not an SP, so you can't know the SP experience. In
fact, don't you do things or not do things so as to avoid being
targeted as an SP and fair gamed? But why would you deny us, known SP
targets, the Jewish experience in our effort against the Scientology
totalitarian evil?
Gerry
>
>they can both fuck right off.
>
>there seems no bottom to their self-righteous idiocy, as evinced by this
>lunatic letter.
>
>regards
>-ef
© Gerry Armstrong
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org