http://www.google.com/groups?selm=1q00gv8vlgml5c2l7dta95qm8mgjhlf6ck%
404ax.com&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain
From: Gerry Armstrong <gerry@gerryarmstrong.org>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Subject: Re: "Fair Game" continues
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 12:00:09 +0200
Organization: Lightlink Internet
Lines: 182
Message-ID: <1q00gv8vlgml5c2l7dta95qm8mgjhlf6ck@4ax.com>
References: <3efa8929.246516@news2.lightlink.com>
<RYBLZV1C37800.2177662037@Gilgamesh-frog.org>
<bdj3oo0ul6@drn.newsguy.com> <lf6rfv0ssqi9aesh1lpvjkp76t3dthl7go
@4ax.com>
<a0dtfvci0aulagksnir0b6q6fvqs6h2s7k@4ax.com> <
vh0ufvsoh7u6931oio5k57c6dscp49jlen@4ax.com>
<nklvfv0itllifno0jah0c2n8i69qnvoero@4ax.com> <
c9uvfvohqb9fdolrvkf8c1ehea793q05og@4ax.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 172.16.34.12
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534
X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.132.47.157
X-Original-Trace: 30 Jun 2003 06:00:12 -0400, 80.132.47.157
On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 11:10:29 +0200, Michael 'Mike' Gormez
<mikeNO@SPAMwhyaretheydead.net> wrote:
>In article <nklvfv0itllifno0jah0c2n8i69qnvoero@4ax.com> , Gerry
Armstrong
><gerry@gerryarmstrong.org> wrote:
>
>>>> The subject policy letter
>>>>"Penalties for Lower Conditions" is only one
statement
of the fair
>>>>game policy. It is erroneously sometimes called the "fair
game
>>>>policy." But it is only a single statement about
treatment
of SPs,
>>>>which is used by those who oppose the cult, and necessarily
the
>>>>policy, because it is such a concise, accurate description of
the
>>>>policy.
>>>
>>>Yes. It is a horrible policy. And we both agree that particular
policy
>>>was cancelled.
>>
>>No, I don't agree that policy was cancelled. You misunderstood what I
>>wrote. Technically and factually a "policy" is not a "
policy
>>*letter.*" A "policy letter" can be cancelled, and the
"policy" that
>>the "policy letter" instructs or elucidates *not* cancelled.
This is
>>the case with the fair game *policy.* A policy letter, or PL, may have
>>been cancelled, but the fair game *policy* has never been cancelled.
>>
>>When the fair game policy is cancelled, there will be a revolution in
>>Scientology. It will be the end of Scientology as we know it;
>>certainly the end of the threat to good people that the cult with its
>>fair game policy continues to be.
>
>Okay, I would catagorize that as the fair game practice rather than police
>because it can be confussing.
The policy and practice are inseverable. Policy and practice are
severable when one or the other is false. E.g., Scientology has a
policy "Deliver what we promise." But the cult has a practice of not
delivering on its promises. It could be said, of course, that the cult
has an actual policy "Don't deliver what we promise," in order to
have
the policy align with the practice, but that isn't quite right.
In the case of fair game, the cult has a philosophy, policy and
practice that are all in agreement. Scientologists, naturally, deny
the existence of the philosphy, policy and practice. But the only way
for one of three concepts to end is for them all to end. Ending the
practice requires ending the policy and philosophy. If Scientologists
stop all attacks, all lies, all theft, all suits, all trickery, all
injuring and all destruction, they necessarily will have adopted a
different philosophy, and from that different philosophy created
different policies.
>
>>>I don't know how wide the cancel was distributed or whether the
cancel
was
>>>cancelled, but I do notice that scientology has used it last year:
>>>
>>>Plaintiff's objections to evidence offered post trial in Dandar's
closing
>>>brief -- 13 September 2002
>>>
>>>"142 Pltf's Ex. 165 before Judge Schaeffer, HCO Policy Letter
of 18
>>>October 1967, Penalties for Lower Conditions.ENEMY - SP Oder [sic]
.
Fair
>>>game. May be deprived of property or injured by any means by any
>>>Scientologist without any discipline of the Scientologist. May be
>>>tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed. o Hearsay.o Hearsay within
>>>hearsay.o Irrelevant and immaterial.o Not offered.o Not
authenticated.o
>>>Not admitted.o Excluded (8/29 Tr., at p. 255).Completeness
>>>Designation:This policy was cancelled in 1970 by HCO Policy Letter
of 6
>>>October 1970, Issue III (Ex. 31 hereto)."
>>>
>>>http://whyaretheydead.net/lisa_mcpherson/bob/dc020913b.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>The policy or doctrine is really one of opportunistic hatred.
>>>>Scientologists do toward the "enemy" what they have
an opportunity to
>>>>do, and what they can get away with. For many people in the
cult
this
>>>>entails *creating* opportunities to attack the
"enemy."
See, e.g.,
>>>>http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/cult/juggernaut-
eval.html
>>>>
>>>>[Quote]
>>>>
>>>>Whoever regards Intelligence solely as "Information
>>>>Gathering" has not moved with the times.
>>>>
>>>>The Japanese disturbed all this with the Intelligence
>>>>creation of "incidents" then exploited by PR.
>>>>
>>>>The Russians use this (from the Japs) continually.
>>>>
>>>>The "incident" brought about behind the scenes is
then
>>>>pitilessly exploited by PR.
>>>>
>>>>To reverse this PR then Intelligence, is out of sequence.
>>>>
>>>>With knowledge, incident and technique, Intelligence
>>>>properly causes first in any sequence of events.
>>>>
>>>>[End Quote]
>>>>
>>>>Fair game is not just a policy, it is also a philosophy and
practice.
>>>>On the cult's "Admin Scale," above "
policy"
is "purposes," and above
>>>>"purposes" is "goals." Fair game is in
alignment
with, and is,
>>>>Scientology's purpose and goal. It is basic to Scientology,
and
>>>>Scientology would not be Scientology without it. It is the
philosophy
>>>>of Scientology that underlies and justifies every attack of
every
>>>>description.
>>>
>>><cut -- you can put that all on a web page but I am not going
to
read it>
>>
>>That's fine. Web pages are made of course not to be read. But I really
>>was writing for other people on a.r.s. who might not know all this
>>already.
>
>Save your sarcasm for someone else who can appreciate it. I decide how to
>spend my time and am being honest when I say I don't read it.
I understood what you said. It's just about as insulting as you be on
this newsgroup. I am so unworthy that you would snip what I write
without reading it, and then take the time to tell me and everyone
else you did so? Don't you think my tiny touch of sarcasm was well
deserved?
>
>[snip]
>
>
>>>I do however not agree that 'fair game' is its purpose and goal.
Its
goal
>>>is power and ruining 'enemies' is just something that has to be
done
in
>>>the process. Ruining people costs resources they rather spend on
>>>expansion. Imho.
>>
>>It isn't one thing or the other. They don't do only what they'd rather
>>do.
>
>I don't say so either. They do ruin people. They do harass children of
>'enemies'. I know that.
>
>
>>But I think you don't understand the cult's "admin scale."
There
is
>>alignment top to bottom on the scale. Scientology and Scientologists
>>cannot have a purpose "to forgive," as Christians can have.
>
>Yah, you lost me again..
I understand. Are you familiar with Scientology's "admin scale?"
Gerry
>
>>they have a goal of total forgiveness. They can profess a goal like
>>"total freedom," but that is just a lie to cover their
actual
goal,
>>which aligns with fair game. They seek power not to be able to
>>forgive, but to be in a position to better fair game. They fair game
>>as a manifestation and demonstration of power. There is alignment from
>>bottom to top of the admin scale, and fair game is in and key to every
>>point on the scale.
>>
>>Gerry
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Mike Gormez
>>>
>>>- Scientology and health www.whyaretheydead.net
>>>- 'Religious' child abuse and neglect www.taxexemptchildabuse.net
>>>- Visit Occupied Clearwater with Nessie
http://nessie.psychassualt.org/
>>>- The hearing transcripts
http://whyaretheydead.net/lisa_mcpherson/bob/
>>
>>© Gerry Armstrong
>>http://www.gerryarmstrong.org
>
>
>
>Mike Gormez
>
>- Scientology and health www.whyaretheydead.net
>- 'Religious' child abuse and neglect www.taxexemptchildabuse.net
>- Visit Occupied Clearwater with Nessie http://nessie.psychassualt.org/
>- The hearing transcripts http://whyaretheydead.net/lisa_mcpherson/bob/
© Gerry Armstrong
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org