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From: armstrong@dowco.com (gerry armstrong)
Subject: A blip is not a big win
 Date: 1998/09/05
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I'm in BC at the dowco.com address for a while finishing my mom's
house so it can be sold. Thanks to all who have stayed in touch.

What $cientology agents' have been saying about my Nevada
litigation is largely false. The dismissal was on a narrow
jurisdictional issue. It had nothing to do with the merits of the
case. I have lost none of my legal claims against $cientology and
will not lose any of those claims or years to come.

I am not completely unhappy about the dismissal for reasons which
I will go into in a later post. Nobody should be perturbed or
even slightly concerned about this ruling. It is a blip on the
inexorable long march to Justice.

Pay no attention as well to Garry Scarff's and the other
$cientology agents' slurs about my being a "fugitive from
justice." When it is timely to take care of the Marin County
matter I will. In the meantime, the significance to be given the
orders of jail time is that in California at least there is no
real freedom of speech, no real freedom of religion, and no real
right to due process or self defense, and that the California
justice system has allowed itself to be used as a tool of
persecution by a religion or criminal cult; take your pick.

Now back to house painting, one of the truly honorable trades.

Gerry

 
   
   

    

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From: armstrong@dowco.com (Gerry Armstrong)
Subject: Re: Psychiatry Will Be Destroyed By the Year 2000 AD
Date: 1999/12/31
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On Fri, 31 Dec 1999 16:19:38 -0500, "Rebecca Hartong"
<Praetorian@mgfairfax.rr.com> wrote:

>
><mark_regent@my-deja.com> wrote in message
>news:84ind1$k3f$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
>> In article <386C4531.6656@ao.net>,

>> I would say the killing of 100,000 people a year is pretty serious. Not
>> all those are being treated by the psychs obviously, but the problem
>> exists there because psych drugs are some of the biggest sellers and
>> are pushed heavily by the psych industry.
>
>Well, that shouldn't be a problem, should it? I mean... you guys keep
>telling us how the number of doctors who choose to become psychiatrists is
>in a major decline. If that's so, there shouldn't be anything to worry
>about.
>
>> Thus, we see the wackos on
>> psych drugs or recently on them and suffering from side effects going
>> into schools and blowing people away.
>
>Psych drugs have only been widely used for maybe 30 years. FBI studies,
>however, tell us that in the United States violent crime has in fact rather
>steadily *decreased* over the past 30 years. Not only that, studies also
>confirm that the great majority of violent crime is committed by people who
>have never been diagnosed or treated for a mental illness. How do you
>account for that, Mark?
>
>The medical specialty of psychiatry itself has only been around for less
>than 200 years and yet history tells us that people have been going on
>murderous rampages since before people began even writing these things down.
>What caused people to do these terrible things-- *before* psychiatry or

>psych drugs were even around, Mark?

Don't you believe it Rebecca. Hubbard states that psychs have always
been around. They are the whole track murderers behind all of
history's murderous rampages. Just ask a $cientologist. Oh, hell, wait
til the movie comes out.

>
>> It is a serious problem don't you think?
>
>I find an even more serious problem to be the alarmingly widespread dearth
>of critical thinking skills among people--people like yourself,
>Mark_Regent--who seem otherwise to have received some sort of formal
>education.

Have you ever met an informally educated person? I mean everybody
received some sort of formal education.

> Is it that there are truly more stupid people in the world than
>there once were? Or is it, rather, that the Internet allows us to come into
>contact with more fools than we might otherwise have the opportunity to
>meet?

Actually, in the observation of more or less fools or foolishness, the
cause, if anything other than God Himself can correctly be called a
cause, is that we are, as a race, in pockets, in nations, in groups,
and in individuals, exitting the Age of Stupidity (R) and entering the
Age of Wisdom (R). Consequently, things which have been taken for
granted or even viewed as wise, are being viewed as stupid. And more
and more.

Intellect is a sort of sliding scale. Wisdom or stupidity is more
clearcut. It's what you do with your intellect, your God-given smarts.

$cientology works on the IQ, the sliding scale, without, I can
personally confirm by my very slow mind, any success whatsoever. Then
in the wisdom or stupidity choice, $cientology directs its people, and
chooses for them, in pretty well any situation, stupidity.

That's why I believe it is a thoroughly honorable thing to dismantle
the $cientology organization and its "technology." It is an
organization and technology which produces stupidity, and any more
stupidity puts all of us at risk.

The alternative to $cientology is not another brand of $cientology,
not something else to move the intellect a point or so along the IQ
scale, but wisdom. I can say to every $cientologist with perfect
confidence that what I'm saying is absolutely accurate, seek wisdom.

If you don't find wisdom in Hubbard's teachings and if you don't find
wisdom in the people who run $cientology, then go elsewhere. No matter
what you learn in $cientology, if you don't find wisdom, you will be
doing something mighty stupid.

If you decide that you don't want wisdom but want to stay in
$cientology, then at least know that's the choice you're making.
Wisdom is free and takes no time at all. $cientology's costs are
gargantuan and it eats up all your time. Wisdom works.(R) Make the
wise choice.

(c) Gerry Armstrong

>
>> Shouldn't you do something
>> about it? Maybe you should join CCHR's efforts to stop this sort of
>> abuse.
>
>Of course there are abuses within the field of psychiatry-- just as there
>are abuses within the fields of plumbing, car sales, and religious vocation
>(including, need I mention, vocations involving the application of an
>"applied religious philosophy"). I find, however, that law enforcement
>agencies and the oversight committees of these professions generally do a
>good job of containing these abuses. I also find that CCHR is less concerned
>with simply identifying actual abuses within the field of psychiatry than it
>is with wiping out the profession entirely. In that regard, CCHR is not only
>short-sighted and ill-informed but also dishonest about its true goal.
>
>
>

 
   
   

    

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From: armstrong@dowco.com (gerry armstrong)
Subject: Shaking Off the Shudders - Clearwater 1998
Date: 1998/11/27
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There are a few people on this side of $cientology's war on human
rights who have expressed a fear of communicating with me because they
might be sued by the cult for "violating an injunction" (Marin County,
CA) or "acting in concert" with me to "violate" such an order. It
isn't important who these people are. They are being needlessly
shuddered into silence.

What is important is to know that *no one* with whom I have
communicated has been sued. And because no one with whom I have
communicated has been sued, no one will be sued; or rather, no
$cientology suit against anyone for communicating with me can be
legally maintained.

It is true that cult lawyers and agents have threatened a number of
individuals and media entities with legal action to prevent their
communicating with me. Cult lawyers sent such threats to at least
Arnie Lerma, Jeff Jacobsen, Lawrence Wollersheim, Robert Vaughn Young
and Stacy Brooks Young. The cult sent such a threat to Channel 4 TV in
the UK to try to prevent the broadcast of the "Secret Life of L. Ron
Hubbard" last year, a program for which I had been interviewed.

Channel 4 lawyers prepared a list of all the other media I had spoken
to after $cientology obtained its various court orders. None of these
media were sued; and because none were sued, Channel 4 had better than
good reason to believe it would not be sued. Consequently it went
ahead, included parts of my interview in its program, and *was not
sued.*

Since then I have communicated with several more media entities and
individuals, and none of them have been sued. The more people I
communicate with about $cientology and my experiences with the cult,
the weaker grows the cult's threat of legal action against them. By
communicating freely with everyone I have eliminated the threat to
everyone.

The answer to $cientology's legal threats and other efforts to shudder
someone into silence is to communicate. And if there's any doubt,
communicate. When everyone communicates freely and without threat
about $cientology the reason for the opposition to it will no longer
exist.

I mention this now because I will be in Clearwater this year for the
annual protest of $cientology's abuse and horrific silencing of Lisa
McPherson. $cientology knows I will be there, so everyone else might
as well know too. I look forward to meeting and communicating with
many old friends, and meeting and communicating with many new friends.
It's safe to talk to me.

Same for Scientologists. Don't be shuddered into not communicating
with all the protesters of good will. Talk to us; and if your seniors
tell you not to communicate, tell them you are no longer their junior.
When in doubt, communicate.

And remember, remember the 5th of December!

(c) Gerry Armstrong

 
   
   

    

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From: armstrong@dowco.com (gerry armstrong)
Subject: Honey disconnect the phone.
Date: 1999/02/22
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Been away for a while taking care of some ars-unrelated things, and
got no feed the past two weeks when my ISP switched its upline news
supplier.

I've rather enjoyed being absent, and I'm grateful that no one notices
when I'm gone and sends the Mounties after me. I know there are some
outstanding matters which I will get to as soon as possible.

The place is still perfectly recognizable. Still a hotbed of entheta.
Still bringing the gospel to the enslaved $cientologists. Still
allowing just about anybody to write whatever the alphabet permits.
Still the best place for bringing all your evidence, even evidence of
evidence, and getting virtual kisses from judges of virtual virtue.

And the sporgers have been beaten into submssion, right?

(c) Gerry Armstrong

 
   
   

    

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From: armstrong@dowco.com (gerry armstrong)
Subject: Re: Legal questions
Date: 1999/04/11
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On Sun, 11 Apr 1999 08:48:31 GMT, Ted.Mayett@worldnet.att.net (Ted
Mayett) wrote:

>What if a church had sacred scriptures, and one of the members of that
>church decided that these scriptures should be freely given out.
>What if that member believed that Mankinds only salvation was with
>those scriptures, and that they *must* be made available for free.

In the copyright realm, if the church had not been a church and had
not tried to be a church and rejected efforts to be made a church,
then the church could enforce commercial copyrights.The "church" of
$cientology, however, called itself a church, tried very hard to be
recognized as a church and did not reject efforts to be made a church.

By contrast, Jerry Garcia did not call himself a church, did not try
to become a church and rejected efforts to make a church of him. There
is a church which believes that truth comes through Jerry's guitar.
These folks could not logically use their diefication of him to escape
commercial copyright laws in the free distribution of his works.

The same law interpreted the same way which gives us "$cientology the
religion" makes opposition to $cientology religious and the
distribution of their "sacred scriptures" protected religious
expression. All picket expenses, indeed computer expenses, for tjose
who participate here on ars, are tax deductable religious
contributions. How else could it be?

>
>The questions are:
>So this guy gets sued, and loses in court.

Yep, been there done that.

>But the guy still makes the material available for free, the guy just
>doesn't care about the Courts, or anything except the
>Salvation of Mankind.

That's what has happened and is happening. That's what God's helpers
have been doing, whether they knew it or not. Every time a dark and
hidden corner of $cientology is brought to the light, with every click
on send, mankind is a little closer to salvation.

>What would eventually happen,
>Would the guy eventually do time in jail for this religious belief?

That's the issue in $cientology v. Armstrong. They want me to be
jailed for what is clearly religious expression violating no one's
rights. I believe that ultimately the courts and government will be
forced to confront, allow the discussion and examination of, and apply
their own reasoned judgments to $cientology and religion itself. The
avoidance of discussion and reason for unreasoned reasons is stupid
and we have a right to unstupid courts and government.

>
>Can a church, sue one of its members, for making their Gospels known?
>Just how far does religious freedom extend?

It has been perverted to now mean the freedom of the leaders of a
religion to do what they want to members (and in $cientology's case
non-members). Its only sane interpretation is that the religious
freedoms are for the members. A member of a religion must be free to
say what he wants to whomever he wants to talk to without fear of
punishment. A member must be free to come and go as he wishes. A
member must be free to start his own church doing the exact same thing
or the opposite thing or anything in between. Those are the sorts of
things on which religious freedom is based. $cientology uses religious
freedom to mean the right to strip people of their religious freedom.

>
>These are not pure Copyright questions, but rather complex questions
>of Religious Freedom.

Cool.

Oh, IANAL.

(c) Gerry Armstrong
   
   

    

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From: Gerry Armstrong <armstrong@dowco.com>
Subject: Re: Picket opportunities: Flag World Tour schedule
Date: 2000/04/16
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On Fri, 14 Apr 2000 07:34:33 GMT, catarina@pamnell.com (Catarina
Pamnell) wrote:

>Some upcoming events from "Flag's OT Eternity Tour" (i.e. sales
>meeting):
>
>April 22: Copenhagen, San Diego, Boston
>
>May 6: Stuttgart, Seattle, Puerto Rico
>
>June 3: Munich, Vancouver, Dallas

Okay, well, if I'm around, Sheila give me a call a couple of days
before the OT Eternity Tour sales meeting in Vancouver to see if
there's a No OTs Here Protest in the works.

>
>June 17: Zurich, Portland, Houston

Seattle is just a bus ride away. Maybe I can do Seattle *and*
Vancouver. I'll bet June in Zurich is nice.

April 22 in Copenhagen, San Diego and Boston are fast approaching. Is
this going to pull Bob Minton into a No OTs Here Protest in Boston?
Guard his flanks.

>
>Come see real OT's in action! ;-)

What a total gift Catarina! Your intel sources are so good we have to
caution against $cientology perhaps concocting a sheepdipped
itinerary. Has there been corroboration?

(c) Gerry Armstrong

>
>
>
>
>Catarina
>
>http://xenu.just.nu
>
>==================================
>"Love the truth, forgive mistakes"
>(Voltaire)
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