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From: "Nelson" <nelsonjr@powersurfr.com>
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Subject: Re: Attn Nelson -
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 20:21:44 -0700
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YUP,,,,sort of proves my point when someone like Gerry
Armstrong says there
is no such thing and no threat of abuses.
Nelson
"Gerry Armstrong" <armstrong@dowco.com> wrote
in message
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> On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 10:35:59 -0700, "Nelson" <nelsonjr@powersurfr.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Dobbs,,,,why cant you admit it is a possibility Tory got clonked over
the
> >head or given some knock out stuff and was worked on a bit. Hell., any
> >amature hypotist could do it. Hell I could do it and I dont know
hypnotism.
> >Tell you what Bob you come here and I will dope you up,,,shock the shit
out
> >of you and implant the idea you will experiance that pain if you stay
a
> >critic.
> >
> >There is a bigger picture to look at here Bob than your hate of
scientology,
> >you bigot.
> >You own ass is grass if Scientology gets knocked out cause without it
in
the
> >hands of every day people only governments will have it and use it for
their
> >war like purposes.
>
> Will use what? Its completely unworkable psychotech?
>
> >That is not a mental problem on my part as you sugest, it is
exstrapolation
> >of fact from other facts from the history of earth.
>
> Wow! You extrapolate facts. You really are OT.
>
> >Psych technology was very limited till Dianetics and Scientology came
along.
>
> And Dianetic$ and $cientology remained limited. Hell, worse than
> useless.
>
> >Now it exists and can be used by evil people for evil purposes just as
well
> >as it can be used by good people for good purposes. Grasp that fact
Dobbs,
> >or have you and thats why you continue to yap?
>
> Illusion is always used by evil people for evil purposes. That's the
> nature of evil.
>
> But $cientology cannot be used for good purposes because it's based in
> illusion.
>
> In all the time you've been in $cientology, identify one person you
> encountered who was PDHed. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
>
> (c) Gerry Armstrong
>
> >Nelson
> >
> >
> >"Bob Dobbs" <the_cheese_23@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:3A8D1EBC.75058D5C@yahoo.com...
> >> Plenty of people outside of Scientology alerted the world to the
types
of
mental
> >> conditioning starting in the 60s. Your personal nomenclature of
PDH is
too
> >> cryptic. Do you mean the use of varied methods of conditioning?,
or are
you
> >> referring to a specific group or type of technique? CIA torture
specialists were
> >> teaching these techniques to foreign govts dating back to the 60s.
> >> When you claim these things are in modern use - I do not argue.
When
you
make
> >> the assertation that Tory is somehow the product of MK Ultra-like
govt.
> >> programming aimed at destroying Scientology - you sound like a babbling
lunatic.
> >> Like a typical lazy minded individual - you would rather construct
elaborate
> >> fantasies than look at the real world under your nose. You have
to be
spoon-fed
> >> you dose of immortality or you get insecure. In order to get your
dose -
you
> >> have to deny that anything is wrong and that you are addicted. You
cant
even
> >> admit that your teachings are just watered down esotericism mixed
with
low
grade
> >> psychotherapy.
> >> So here is my point - you wont elaborate on the details of your
conspiracy
> >> theory because it will fall apart under scrutiny. I DO believe in
some
> >> conspiracies - the P2 scandal in Italy was certainly CIA sponsered
-
and
the
> >> details are wild. Its YOUR conspiracy I find less than credible.
> >> Queso
> >> Nelson wrote:
> >>
> >> > What you are not confronting is the use of PDH in modern times
and if
we
did
> >> > not have Dianetics and Scientology we would not even know of
them let
alone
> >> > be able to undo it.
> >> > Nelson
> >> >
> >> > "Bob Dobbs" <the_cheese_23@yahoo.com> wrote
in message
> >> > news:3A8CDF0E.3A241D73@yahoo.com...
> >> > >
> >> > > I fully understand that there are hundreds of methods
of mental and
> >> > > social conditioning - including scn/dianetics.
> >> > > Hassan I Sabbah used to give his adherents sex and drugs
to make
them
> >> > > think they were in nirvana, and would return there upon
death. It
was
> >> > > easy to get these adherents to do his bidding. Charlie
Manson used
LSD
> >> > > and hours of cunnilingus to indoctrinate female members
of his
"family".
> >> > > The SLA used sleep/food deprivation and other techniques
to
reimprint
> >> > > Patty Hearst - she was one of them after that. Scientology
uses
many
> >> > > techniques to slowly reform the thought of raw meat. What
about
this
am
> >> > > I not confronting?
> >> > > The solution? Its not scientology. The solution depends
upon the
> >> > > individual - some need only time to be reimmersed in "the
real
world",
> >> > > some need guidance to examine the flaws in their insular
logic.
> >> > > Scientology only offers brainwashing to counter brainwashing.
The
> >> > > redefinition of language and the introduction of a closed-circut
logic
> >> > > that puports to be all-inclusive, but is actually rooted
in denial
of
> >> > > ones flaws and projection of those flaws onto perceived
enemies.
> >> > > Tell me Nelson, what am I not confronting?
> >> > > Queso
> >> > >
> >>
> >
>
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